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Post by icebear on Feb 13, 2010 11:56:53 GMT -5
This stuff is not science fiction, nonetheless my thinking is that any decent scifi work starting from now ought to be focusing on this stuff: bearfabrique.org/Catastrophism/degraziaArticle.htmThe Noachean flood did not occur in some sort of a local vacuum which did not affect the other planets. It was part of some general calamity which itself was one of the final acts in the series of events which left Mars in the condition it lies in now. Again, the only two good motives I could come up with for inter-stellar travel would be information/knowledge, or escape, and you'd have to figure that people living on Mars prior to whatever happened there would have tried to escape to the near stars since they'd have not had a way of knowing if anything in our own system would remain habitable. That's the sort of thing which makes for interesting scifi stories.
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Post by Floyd Looney on Feb 13, 2010 12:45:02 GMT -5
What if humans had once lived on both worlds? hhhhmmmmm
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Post by Floyd Looney on Feb 13, 2010 12:52:09 GMT -5
That last image is fascinating, it looks like a vase on its side with the opening facing the camera.
This page viewed 000010 times.
Believe me, I know how that feels.
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Post by icebear on Feb 13, 2010 14:07:52 GMT -5
What if humans had once lived on both worlds? hhhhmmmmm How or why humans got onto this world would be pure conjecture, other than for one thing i.e. you can eliminate the idea of us having evolved from Neanderthals or other hominids. Neanderthal DNA turns out to be about halfway between ours and that of a chimpanzee; that clearly rules the Neanderthal out as a plausible human ancestor and all other hominids were further removed from us THAN the Neanderthal. It could be that this world with its dinosaurs and dangerous animals was once some sort of a zoo-park or some such but anybody else's guess is just as good as that.
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Post by icebear on Feb 13, 2010 14:10:40 GMT -5
That last image is fascinating, it looks like a vase on its side with the opening facing the camera. This page viewed 000010 times. Believe me, I know how that feels. That page is just a tiny sampling. You could do google searches on 'cydonia' or check out: www.marsanomalyresearch.com/
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Post by Floyd Looney on Feb 13, 2010 14:12:42 GMT -5
I have heard of Cydonia and all that. It was the pictures I found interesting. Especially the last couple of them.
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Post by Attero Dominatus on Feb 14, 2010 2:51:37 GMT -5
Very fascinating, and yes it would make for some very good sci-fi stories.
I don't know about the sun being larger in the past than it currently is (though if a recent theory about dark matter annihilation fueling stars is true it could happen), but that whole Sun-Uranus link is pretty cool.
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Post by Floyd Looney on Feb 14, 2010 3:06:23 GMT -5
Stars will change size, but usually in the dying process as far as I know. Yes, this would all be good for a science fiction sometime. I am not going to be the one who tries to write it though.
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Post by Attero Dominatus on Feb 14, 2010 3:20:53 GMT -5
Stars get bigger as they fuse heavier nuclei which require more energy to slam together but release more in the process (until you get to iron, which takes more energy to fuse than is released by the fusion process).
The recent theory on dark matter reactions increasing star power appears in the latest issue of Sky and Telescope and it is said that once these additional reactions stop, the star will shrink and convert to a normal fusion process.
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Post by Floyd Looney on Feb 14, 2010 3:30:15 GMT -5
HHHhhhhhmmmmmm so the sun might be the reason we can't find dark matter? It used it all in the vicinity? The same would likely be true in other solar systems. This means dark matter would exist far away from stars, maybe Voyager 2 will bump into it someday.
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Post by icebear on Feb 14, 2010 7:00:23 GMT -5
HHHhhhhhmmmmmm so the sun might be the reason we can't find dark matter? It used it all in the vicinity? The same would likely be true in other solar systems. This means dark matter would exist far away from stars, maybe Voyager 2 will bump into it someday. The reason you can't find dark matter is that it doesn't exist. Moreover even if it DID exist, the basic claims made for it would still be idiotic. The basic claim is that if you go from a galactic average density of something like one dust mote every four miles to one dust mote every tenth of a mile, then gravity could hold the whole thing together. The problem is the insistence that gravity holds anything together on cosmic scales. Galaxies are held together by electromagnetic forces, and not by gravity. Gravity is the weakest basic force.
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Post by Floyd Looney on Feb 14, 2010 15:10:09 GMT -5
I thought the dark matter thing was about the mass of the universe. Scientists have a theory and that theory needs a lot more mass to be true so they came up with another theory (dark matter) to buttress the first theory. Because if neither one is true that means the universe keeps expanding forever and that would mean the universe is a lot younger than they have been saying. The galaxy thing is interesting, maybe stars group together based on electromagnetic forces or whatever, but it doesn't support their dark matter theory.
One of these days some scientist will come up with a better theory.
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Post by icebear on Feb 14, 2010 21:51:47 GMT -5
I thought the dark matter thing was about the mass of the universe. Scientists have a theory and that theory needs a lot more mass to be true so they came up with another theory (dark matter) to buttress the first theory. Because if neither one is true that means the universe keeps expanding forever and that would mean the universe is a lot younger than they have been saying. The galaxy thing is interesting, maybe stars group together based on electromagnetic forces or whatever, but it doesn't support their dark matter theory. One of these days some scientist will come up with a better theory. As I understand it the main problem is galaxies and what binds them together. The problem is the basic density of space inside galaxies. Easiest way to picture it... if you scale our own solar system to be about a yard in diameter i.e. make th ediameter of Pluto's orbit about a yard, then at that scale the diameter of the sun would be about that of a human hair, and Alpha Centauri would be a tad more than four miles away. That's the problem; the basic density of space inside our own galaxy is about one dust mote every four miles and there just isn't any way that gravity could come close to holding anything together at that rate.
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Post by Floyd Looney on Feb 14, 2010 22:41:16 GMT -5
Black holes at the center, pulling them in?
If its that sparse inside galaxies, outside of them must be barren. I understand they actually did find a star or two exiting the galaxy at a pretty high rate of speed, whatever that means, I would think they'd try to determine what pushed them away or caused them to move away.
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Post by icebear on Feb 15, 2010 21:12:24 GMT -5
Black holes at the center, pulling them in? y. No. Gravity dies off as the square of distance, and that's even if there was such a thing as a black hole, which I doubt. Here's a good example of what I'm talking about: The arms, particularly the upper arm, show material being held in a straight line until some point at which the field breaks down, after which material very quickly trails away and dissipates. Gravity and inertia cannot do things like that.
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